Citizens For Quiet Skies

I had recently responded to a Times Call letter from Kimberly Gibbs, essentially saying that I didn’t think she would be happy with any airplane noise from Mile High Skydiving, and that she would only stop her fight if they were shut down altogether.

Well, Kimberly found my blog and responded in the “About” section.  I wanted to move the conversation to another post so as not to clutter things.

Kimberly Gibbs says:

Actually, this blog was created by cowards who don’t have the guts to put their name on their ignorant comments aimed at misleading the public. Case in point: “I think the misconception in Ms. Gibbs’ logic is that not shutting down MHS does not equate to “no progress in sight”. If she is waiting for that particular legitimate Longmont business to be shut down before she can claim progress was made, then I’m afraid she is going to be waiting quite awhile.”

  • Hi Kimberly!

    Thanks for your feedback. I get that some people have a problem with my anonymity (there is actually just one of me here), and that’s ok. Sadly, there are people out there that have a propensity to exhibit some rather nasty behavior toward those with different opinions or those who have been critical of them. My family doesn’t need that, so I prefer to remain anonymous. If anyone feels like that disqualifies my opinions, then there really isn’t anything I can do about that, and it is their right. I imagine if I told anyone who I was, the overwhelming response would be “who?”, as I’m not much more than just a casual observer to the political scene here. :)

    For those wondering, Kimberly is referring to this letter in the Times Call:

    http://www.timescall.com/opinion/letterstotheeditor/ci_24333140/kimberly-gibbs-only-3-candidates-responded-plane-noise

    I stand by my opinion that you would like to see Mile High Skydiving shut down, and I obviously disagree with you, but that is your right to take them to court. If you feel I’ve “mislead the public”, I’m happy to hear where you think I messed up. I very well could just be misunderstanding your intent, but everything I’ve seen from you and your proposed lawsuit is that you will only be happy with no plane noise, and I don’t know how that happens unless there are no planes.

    For anyone interested, Kimberly has also created a Facebook page for “Citizens for Quiet Skies”, and for those interested in the latest developments of her efforts, it is frequently updated. While there have been a much larger percentage of people who post in there to harass her than support her efforts, I have to give giant kudos to how she handles those people. There are definitely some skydivers and pilots out there who have been pretty harsh and disrespectful on her page, but I rarely see her losing her cool about any of them. More people should respond that way even when they have every right not to. So while we disagree on the MHS issue, I completely respect the way she is arguing for her side.

    So again, thanks for your comment. It is always better to have discussions that go straight to the source. :)

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Recently I’ve seen that the banter on her Facebook page has gotten rather interesting, as some posters there have pointed out that she is not supposed to be using a non profit organization such as CFQS for political endorsements.  Whether or not hers meets that definition, and whether or not the posts she’s made are against “the rules”, I don’t know, but someone may very well be challenging that in court.  Guess we’ll see what happens.

What was really sad to see, however, was that Kimberly called out one of the posters, a Jeff Lipton, and made this comment:

Citizens For Quiet Skies Jeff: We presented the views of all candidates who responded. You need to calm yourself down or I am going to call your daddy and have a talk with him about your conduct. As a candidate for Louisville city council, he may not appreciate your conduct and the potential negative effects on his campaign. http://www.liptonforlouisville.com/

While I’m not sure what she thought she could say regarding this issue to negatively impact Mr. Lipton’s father’s campaign, it was disappointing to see her go that route, as she had been doing a pretty good job of making appropriate responses to all the dissension.  Unfortunately, this was not one of those responses, and certainly those who seem to be the most against Ms. Gibbs’ mission are going to use it against her, as it really looks threatening and doesn’t help her cause at all.  This won’t end well.

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2 Responses to Citizens For Quiet Skies

  1. Anonymous says:

    I’m not sure if I’m leaving a comment in the correct section- many apologies if it’s not in the appropriate spot. I’m still getting used to the iPad verses the laptop. I would like to comment about the recent Citizens for Quiet Skies lawsuit that is taking place. I would like to thank you for your fair and impartial commentary above- where you commend Kim for the way she handles the harassment on her Facebook page. I have to tell you, I cannot believe the mob mentality of the skydivers. I am sickened. I remember the first time I went on that page. I knew the skydivers would disagree with her view point, but I had no idea it would grow to become the “bullying” it has today. I am disappointed that skydivers have resorted to threats, name calling, and even creating a Facebook page using her image to list insult after insult. I have never before offered an opinion on this- because frankly, the skydivers terrify me. They have threatened her family, her children, and done nothing but write obscenities about her in response to her comments or updates. Occasionally, an intelligent opinion is offered up, and I have to say, it’s refreshing. I have stopped looking at the page completely. I have the added advantage of knowing Kim personally, and I would like to say that her life has been completely altered by this suit. What she means by her moral victory statement above- is that this has come down to a harassment issue. We live in a country where people have fought and died for her right to have a difference of opinion. She has a right to free speech, I agree that local businesses also have a right to operate, but I think we should keep our eyes focused on the main picture here. There is a disagreement that’s going to court. That’s it. There are lawsuits all over the world right now- that’s what the system is there for. I know for a fact that Kim tried several times to sit down with the owner of MHS to discuss things. She tried ignoring it. From what I have been told, the noise goes until 11:00 at night on certain nights (with the night jump for some reason becoming more popular). She doesn’t want to shut down a local business. What she wants is for the noise to be restricted to certain hours, and she has every right to do so. I won’t go into specifics, because that’s for the courts to discuss, as I know there are other demands made in the suit. What I really wanted to comment on- is that if Kim is fighting back a little on her page- good for her. I cannot believe the below the belt tactics the skydivers are using to bully her into silence. There are skydivers who do not even live in the state who contact her just to harass her. It’s okay to have an opinion, and to state your opinion. It’s okay to back it up with facts. What it is not okay to do- is threaten someone’s safety to further your own personal agenda, to threaten her children or her husband. I’m sorry- but for me, the skydivers aren’t representing very well at all.

    • I appreciate the comment, and I wondered if there would be people who may be threatening Ms. Gibbs over this issue. Obviously there are lines that shouldn’t be crossed, but when you go after someone’s livelihood (or it is perceived that you are), there are those who are going to be nasty about it. It doesn’t justify it, but she has made some people really angry with her actions.

      I don’t condone bullying, but I also really think Ms. Gibbs has really opened herself up to it by the way she has handled the situation. The fact that she lives so far away from the airport, but is still constantly bothered by the noise for over two years, and to the point that she’s pretty much seemed to make her life mission about stopping it, that all tells me that there is something going on with her that isn’t “normal”. And I don’t mean that in a condescending way. I don’t doubt at all that the noise bothers her, but I think she may have an over-sensitivity to it, and it really bothers the general population when someone tries to shut down something that is clearly only effecting so very few people so strongly.

      I believe that sometimes people just need to realize that some things won’t ever be worked out to their satisfaction Especially when the overwhelming (and I do mean extremely overwhelming in this case) majority of people think you are out of line, it may be best just to remove yourself from the situation. I know, easier said than done, but I can’t see any outcome where Ms. Gibbs will come out of this for the better. If she does succeed in shutting down operations (or even limiting them like she proposes), I suspect that the wrath aimed at her is going to be exponentially worse unfortunately. Maybe she thinks that will be worth it, but I sure wouldn’t. I truly hope she is able to get some help dealing with this in a way that won’t also create undo hardships for so many others, and her lawsuit is going in completely the wrong direction in my opinion.

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